This is a special cymbal. Dark and trashy, not that loud, but it's present, you can't miss it. And that's not all. Currently I'm using it as a hihat top combined with a 16" A Thin Crash as a hihat bottom. This combination produces dark, trashy, muddy low pitched hihat tones. Closing it with a foot really cuts through. It's not for everyone, but it's definitely for me. Check Eric Harland Style Hi Hat Cymbals video on YT to hear some more...